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[00:00:00] You're covered in nuts. You're having a bad dream. You're covered in nuts.
[00:00:10] Excuse me. Do you know who I am?
[00:00:14] I have absolutely no idea.
[00:00:19] Welcome Renaissance man, Mike Nelson here. Hey, Mike, this is Dave. How you doing? I'm doing great. What's you working on? Anything new? I'm working on all sorts of stuff. Yeah. Trying to. Trying to make my nut house, cleaning girls on track, stuff like that. Yeah. So I'm working on a fence that I started technically started last August, and. Yeah. No, I think I know what you're talking about behind the house. Yeah, it's behind the house. And I have a tendency to overcomplicate things, but it might turn into a Renaissance project. Okay, so this fence has. I didn't know it, but this this fence has stood for probably [00:01:00] 45 years. And you can tell just by the type of lumber that was used and it's fallen apart. I mean, if you sneezed on it, it would fall over. But I can remember back in the day when I was, I don't know, 5 or 4 or even maybe even younger than that, watching our neighbors and dad rebuild it. And I had this concept for some reason that they had completely rebuilt it from scratch. Right? Right. And I went over and talked to the neighbors and he's like, no, we didn't rebuild it. We just put new posts on it. So you got to you got to catch everybody up though, right? Because this you were four when you lived in this house, right? So you're living in the same house now? Yeah.
[00:01:43] It's kind of weird. Uh, so when I was born in 1978 and, uh, you know, Mom and dad just bought this house. They bought it before I was born, which you remember, but obviously I don't remember. You were eight. Uh, so. [00:02:00] When I came home from the hospital. This is where I lived, right? So I don't know anything other than this house. And then the other house that Mom and dad live in. So I have a few memories from the time I was zero to the time I was, you know, six when we moved. And not a lot in the house has changed, in my opinion. And it turns out that I'm rebuilding and redoing some of the stuff. Same, very same stuff that Mom and dad did before they moved in or when they moved in. So it's kind of weird, actually. I found a letter in the attic. And it says something along the lines. I could probably actually grab it. I think it's around here somewhere, but it says something along the lines of, you know, I like food or something like that. Oh, who wrote the letter? I think Becky Dixon wrote the letter.
[00:02:59] Do you remember [00:03:00] her?
[00:03:00] I do, so a babysitter lived up the street. It's perfect writing. The writing is like, you know, high school girl writing, right? And it says, Dear Mom and Dad, I like food or something like that. I'm having a great time. Love, Michael. And it's all old.
[00:03:20] Oh. So she she transcribed it for you right when you were a wee bitten when.
[00:03:25] I was a wee one. And I was probably sad that mom and dad weren't there. Which is sort of funny because I have wee ones in the house and they act exactly the same that I did. So awesome. But anyway, this fence project is turning into this deal because there is a part of this fence that supports four fences total, and I had determined that I was going to build that pivot post. It's not a pivot post, but it's the anchor for four fences in a robust fashion. And I started digging to put the concrete in the ground, and I ran into an old, you know, [00:04:00] concrete thing, post, you know, thing where they would in the post is completely rotted out. But and there's a 4x4 square there. And then, you know, everybody knows engineer Brian. So I called Engineer Brian and we discussed on text over the course of, you know, maybe 3 or 4 days, the fact that I don't want to spend the time to dig this ridiculous thing out because it's probably 400 pounds. So I just made a form to go over top of it. I'm going to dump another 480 pounds of concrete right on top of it.
[00:04:32] So you're just adding on top of another 400 pound.
[00:04:37] Yes. Because and I don't know how this happens, but grade has shifted. And there's probably a 12 inch grade differential from, from the house that's next door to mine to the house that's behind that. And then maybe a seven inch grade differential from the house that's behind mine to the house that's to my house. And then from the two houses that are next door to each other behind the other two houses. So it's like a four square. [00:05:00] There's probably almost a 12 12 inch grade differential, and all of that grade has just been resting on the fence. So, you know, you know, common procedures back in the day was just sink the post. Right? Right. Well, procedures now are don't let the post come in contact with the ground because you're going to be replacing the fence in 20 years, which takes us to the Renaissance part of this. So I don't know if you remember, Engineer Brian is an engineer. He is in fact an engineer. He told us why you get condensation, sweat, which this is like the fifth reference that we've talked about this on your beard. Right. And we should pull up the clip so that people who haven't heard it can hear it.
[00:05:38] Beard, beard or mustache. Yes, indeed.
[00:05:40] Yes. And about what, 2 or 3 years ago, he had what he called the South Bellevue Borders project, or something like that border improvement project, which was a fence that he built in front of his yard. And the fence, by all rights, is is the highest [00:06:00] quality fence I have seen.
[00:06:01] Fantastic.
[00:06:02] And it is stout and substantial and I would like to, in my fence building, build a product that I am proud of that isn't cobbled together. And I'm not saying anything about anybody else's fence because I've built probably 20 fences, right. But there's this concept that I was talking with Engineer Brian about, which was I got to ask what that was about.
[00:06:29] I don't know, I heard some weird sound by the front of the house. I had to turn around and look. Okay, I think everyone's okay. Go ahead. It would.
[00:06:36] Be awesome. Search warrant. Police.
[00:06:40] Can you hang on? I'm recording a podcast. I'd be like, just.
[00:06:42] Let it run, man.
[00:06:43] Just let it run. Yeah, I already called the station, told them it was podcast night, so I already told you it's podcast night.
[00:06:51] So the concept that we came up with, and this is very renaissance, is the fact that I really want to build something [00:07:00] that is going to stay there forever.
[00:07:02] Forever, for.
[00:07:03] As long as somebody lives in this house. Right. And the Secure Borders initiative for South Bellevue is substantial enough that I and listen well.
[00:07:14] For two said secure borders. This is not an actual like Bellevue City Council sponsored. Initiative.
[00:07:21] It's. No, it's an ornamental fence.
[00:07:23] It's Engineer Bryan's project, right? Yes. Okay.
[00:07:26] Got it. It's an ornamental fence. And it. Yeah. No it's not. Look, dude, if you ran a car into one of.
[00:07:36] I've seen it. It's gorgeous. Okay? It's fantastic.
[00:07:39] But it's like the weirdest kind of combination of stout engineering with good, good lumber and ornamental thought process that makes it so that it fits, you know. Right.
[00:07:54] Well, that would, you know, nothing less should be expected from an aeronautical [00:08:00] engineer. Indeed.
[00:08:01] Yeah, actually, he's not even an aeronautical engineer. He's a materials engineer that does the aeronautics job, which is crazy. But anyway, I didn't know that engineering was like that, where you're like, oh, I got a degree in materials engineering, which is like all chemistry and all this other stuff. Right? Right. And they're like, hey, can you help us with this airplane? Oh, sure.
[00:08:21] Yeah, I can do that.
[00:08:22] So the Renaissance part of this is that I'd like to spend the time and the money to build something that that is like, man, that looks good. And that's going to stay for a long time. And then my other thought process on it is, is that I'm in the middle of this and I don't necessarily want to do it again, but eventually all the fences that are around my house will be this style of fence. Right. All right. But I want because okay, so we have a bunch of trees in the backyard and what, four years ago, I helped dad build a fence and within a year a branch had fallen on it and broken one of the sections out. So the other thing that I'm kind of trying to consider is the [00:09:00] fact that we have debris that falls on fences all the time in our backyard, and I want it so that when one of those fence boards breaks, you can go down to Dunn Lumber and you can get a new one, and you can slide it in there without having to cut it.
[00:09:15] Ah, I see.
[00:09:16] So you just pop like a.
[00:09:17] Modular design. It is.
[00:09:19] Modular.
[00:09:19] That you hope will be still effective 43 years later. Yes. Yeah.
[00:09:26] And that all that saying is the old fence lasted a long time.
[00:09:33] Well, yeah. Yes, I've seen it. I remember when it was rebuilt air quotes. Yeah I think that was the time where Father Nelson stuck the claw. The hammer on his forehead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:09:48] I have vivid memories of Maurice and Sheila being down here. Our, our local British expats, with their accents and all of the trappings that come with being a Brit, which [00:10:00] in Morris's case is pretty much a wink, wink, nod, nod all the time. And then Sheila's case is overt politeness.
[00:10:06] What do you mean by wink wink nod nod?
[00:10:09] Oh, Maurice is always like, how's it being 36? Wink wink nod nod. I remember when I was 36 wink wink wink nod nod like, Maurice, what are you getting at?
[00:10:20] You sound like you're from Texas. Just like he's from England. Yes. I can't do it. No, I've given up even trying.
[00:10:32] We should get him in here.
[00:10:34] He's funny. Yeah. You should. Speaking of aeronautical engineering, right? Yeah. I recall he designed the hydraulics for the original Harrier jump jet.
[00:10:48] Yeah, yeah he did. I talked to engineer Brian about that because Brian used to work at Lockheed and had parts of some of the most advanced fighter jets, you know, flying [00:11:00] today come.
[00:11:01] Paperweights on his desk.
[00:11:02] Well, I mean, he engineered and did some testing on some of the materials for those things. And, uh, I mean, the concept, the concept when I told him exactly what you just said was interesting because I said, well, Maurice, which is just fantastically British, Maurice designed all the hydraulics on the Harrier, and Brian's head exploded because he's like, there's no way that one guy designed all the hydraulics on the Harrier. And I went, oh, right. He probably was part of a team that designed the hydraulics on a subsection, right.
[00:11:37] Sort of like my my nephews back in 2001 was telling all their friends in elementary school that I invented the Xbox, right? Like, well, no, actually, I was responsible for, you know, installing the the repair process and all the different facilities across the world for Xbox. Now, that's what [00:12:00] I said. You invented the Xbox. Got it. All right. There's no point.
[00:12:04] In arguing with.
[00:12:04] Them. Oh, dude.
[00:12:07] I love that I love that.
[00:12:08] So yeah, real quick, listener Caitlin was losing her mind the other day listening to one of the podcasts. She's like, you guys never finish what you're talking about. Oh, really? You just keep going off on all these different topics. So let's backtrack. English hydraulics engineer. Oh, they're talking about a fence or the Bellevue City Council or something. And Safe Borders Initiative or something, right?
[00:12:38] Yeah, secure borders initiative. The point of the fence is, is that, you know, this is Renaissance man, and we don't always do Renaissance stuff.
[00:12:44] But sometimes it's Bronze Age, sometimes it's industrial age. Right.
[00:12:50] So the industrial age part of this is that I went down to Pacific Industrial down in downtown Seattle, off of off of highway 99. [00:13:00] It's actually close to the 405 I-5 interchange off of 99. And that place is a gigantic disaster. Number one. And number two, they have anything you could want. They've got spools of high tension rope. There was a tow truck in there getting new cable on his on his winches.
[00:13:15] Oh, I want to go down there.
[00:13:16] Yeah, it's got.
[00:13:17] A second, second use. Second use I guess the other day down at Soto. And that place is awesome. Is it so much fun? Yeah.
[00:13:26] Yeah. So, so so my concept of making sure that this point on the post that holds up four separate fences is that it's indestructible, right? Right, right. So I'm like, well, I'm going to use six by six wooden posts. So I'll just get a steel one and I'll affix it to this thousand pound block of steel that I'm putting in the ground. Right. And it won't go.
[00:13:47] 400 pounds before now it's a thousand.
[00:13:49] Well, okay, I got to assume that there's at least 400 pounds in there, so we'll say 800.
[00:13:58] It's heavy. Brian. [00:14:00]
[00:14:01] Engineer. Brian.
[00:14:02] That is heavy. Yeah.
[00:14:03] Engineer Brian was like, dig down six inches and see if it tapers. Because most. Hand, hand dug holes taper. And I'm like, yep. Sure enough it tapers. And then I'm like, well I'm at 28in and it's not stopped yet.
[00:14:15] Yeah. Not the holes I recently dig dug I dig dug. Right.
[00:14:20] So I'm assuming there's at least five bags of concrete in there and it's been curing for 40 years. It's it's ready to go. So I just put a cap weight.
[00:14:29] Wouldn't it be cured by now?
[00:14:30] Now concrete never stops.
[00:14:32] Never. No. Not even like three bags of concrete.
[00:14:38] I don't know, maybe three, but typically it doesn't. It's not at rest chemically.
[00:14:45] Right? Right. Okay. Carry on.
[00:14:47] So I go down looking for a six by six quarter inch extruded steel post. That's 7 to 8ft tall, right? Yeah.
[00:14:55] As you as you do.
[00:14:56] And they're like, sorry dude. Nobody makes six by sixes. You're going to have to get structural columns [00:15:00] for that. And they're expensive. And I was like, oh crap, what have you got? He's like 4x4. Oh I didn't want a 4x4. But I can still weld. So it's 4x4 3/16 extruded steel. And then I text engineer Brian, I'm like, hey, I got myself this post and some base plates. I'm going to do a quick industrial age weld up on this post so it won't go anywhere. And he goes, why don't you just use a six by six wood pressure treated probably serve you better.
[00:15:25] And I was like.
[00:15:26] What the crap, dude.
[00:15:28] I want this to last for 86 years.
[00:15:30] Right? And he's like, yeah. And then he started talking about like load deflection and all this other crap. And I was like, I'm not going to go in there. All I wanted to do was look cool and last a long time. So, uh, it was it was pretty. It was interesting because he totally took the wind out of my sails because he's an engineer. But then he totally backtracked because I was like, I already spent 50 bucks on the post, dude. And he's like, oh, okay. So that's the industrial age portion of that. And then the cool [00:16:00] part about this is, is that Brian does enough outdoor projects, enough projects total that he bought a concrete mixer and I was getting ready to buy one because I've got the huge retaining wall that I'm building for mom and dad that I'm not going to be able. I'm going to have to bag that.
[00:16:15] Crossing my fingers to remember about that huge retaining wall. Okay.
[00:16:19] All right. So in order to pour the footer for that, I'm going to have to bag it. And then Brian gets on on Craigslist to buy a concrete mixer. And I'm like, hey man, can I use that? And he's like, yeah. So we kind of have a tool exchange going right now, and I've got this concrete mixer in the backyard. But anyway, so this morning, as I'm waking up at 4:00 or whenever it was that Holly, I got up to feed the new baby Audrey, I flip on my phone, which I'm apt to do because it takes me a while to get back to sleep these days. For some reason, I'm not sure why, and there is an article on Reddit that I read about Japanese workmanship, woodworking, and it got me thinking.
[00:16:58] I saw the coolest video [00:17:00] about stuff like this. It's awesome. Did you how how? They're putting together these giant beams with wood and not using any fasteners or or they're using tools, but they're not using any fasteners or bolts or nails.
[00:17:12] Yeah, there's no hardware. It's all wood and wood. Yeah, well, I just watched a video just before we got to podcasting. You know, I saved the video because I wasn't going to watch it last night, and it's awesome, dude. And I don't know, I don't know how to articulate the Renaissance portion of this.
[00:17:35] Of the woodworking part know.
[00:17:37] Just like I watch somebody who's a master at something. And, you know, the Renaissance man thing is kind of cool, right? Uh, and I like to do a lot of different things, but I have a strong desire to be a pro in some way, shape or form. And I don't feel like there's anything these days that you're going to be able to make economical to make a career out of, [00:18:00] you know what I mean? Like, yeah, that guy is a craftsman. He's a master craftsman. And he he builds fences with no fasteners. Right. Probably not logical. Okay. Right. The other side of that is, is like, I wouldn't it be cool to be the guy that makes the fences with no fasteners?
[00:18:21] You know, you're talking about being a, like an expert pro at something. I always thought the idea of a renaissance like, oh, he's a Renaissance man, was that he's totally into the weeds on how things operate and work, but is is adept and can, you know, carry their own weight and everything from like, well, I'm going to construct a cathedral or I'm going to build a fence, or I'm going to hand sketch a drawing of the most beautiful bird I've ever seen, and then carve it out of marble while I'm at it. Oh, and then invent a flying machine and then discover [00:19:00] what a planet is. And a star, right?
[00:19:02] I that is so perfect.
[00:19:04] Sort of the jack of all trades. Master of none. But I guess what, I guess what what we end up, you and I end up doing quite a bit of is I'm going to learn everything I possibly can about how water freezes. Yeah.
[00:19:19] I mean, we did that last podcast and a couple other podcasts. And to be honest with you, I think.
[00:19:23] I'm getting even better at it, by the way. Are you? Yes. So stupid.
[00:19:28] So, no, I don't think it's stupid at all. I really don't, because. Because you're in an age now where we have access to information that is unparalleled, right? And because of that access to information where we're just kind of pulled in a lot of different directions, I don't know, what's the Cory Doctorow book, the Internet of Things or something like that, or, uh, he wrote a book and I read the first like maybe six chapters of it, and then I got bored. But it was like the, the assault [00:20:00] of, of information technology upon the senses of, of of humanity. Right, right. You know, so for me to know how to build a fence is one thing, because I can slap that thing together and have it done in one day for me to do it so that it it lasts in a sense that's permanent, that other people besides myself can enjoy is completely different. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, I mean, when you when you when when.
[00:20:31] Hip hip hip hip. Are you, are you trying to make, like, some sort of, like, long lasting legacy? Like. Oh, I'll tell you what. I was laying wood wood floor in my house in Kirkland before I moved out of it. Yeah. And I got to the closet of my daughter's bedroom. Uh huh. Before she was born, I remember this. And I was the only one in the house at the time. But you lay down the floor [00:21:00] and the. There's sort of a tar paper that you lay between the subfloor and the the wood floor. And before I lay down the tar paper, I just got off a whim, got a black Sharpie and wrote a message, sort of like a a, you know, a time capsule. Time capsule. Right. Of what I was doing and why I was, what I was thinking about when I lay down the wood floor.
[00:21:24] Dude, see, that's the cool part.
[00:21:26] Hoping that in 60 years, when whatever the new HGTV home renovation reality show is, they tear this up like, oh, who would lay down this wood pine floor? This is so stupid. And they pull it up and like, oh, the person who laid this down like there's some sort of attachment to.
[00:21:45] Absolutely. Right. Well, okay. So like the example on the video is, uh, like this guy who builds furniture out of slab wood. And I was watching him and he's using these old saws. Right. So this is one of my other Renaissance things is I [00:22:00] like to repair chainsaws and as Michelangelo did.
[00:22:06] Yeah.
[00:22:08] So he was using, like, this old still, uh, zero eight 0 or 0 nine zero, which is.
[00:22:16] Not to be confused with the 808. Dude. The dude.
[00:22:21] Sound effect.
[00:22:22] Now.
[00:22:24] Yeah. So this old saw immediately recognized this old saw as the largest displacement commonly available chainsaw ever made. Nice, right? Because I like to repair chainsaws and I researched that kind of stuff. Right. I'd love to get my hands on one, because you could sell them for 2000 bucks and then, you know, apply some really cool Renaissance business to it to make it run like a top. Right. Oh, speaking of that, that weed whacker, it was the fuel cap that was clogged.
[00:22:51] Anyway, how's it running now?
[00:22:52] Yeah, it runs like a champ.
[00:22:53] Sorry, listener. Katelyn. Sidebar.
[00:22:57] Back to it. Yeah, this dude cut down this old tree and I'm [00:23:00] like, I know how to do that. Uh, like, I've cut down lots of trees and I know where there's there's huge stumps that, you know, like, I kind of wanted to make a table. I'm like, oh, I, you know, I can't make a table. But the amount of time and energy he put in, I'm sure that I would get like 2 or 3 projects into it and be like, okay, I get it. Next. I don't know if there's a possibility of like respecting your own nature enough to be able to get into something just to be barely good enough and then move on. So your comment about Jack of all trades, Master of None, I think fits appropriately. And then when you think about Michelangelo, I mean, he like perseverated on things for years and years and years, but never like capitalized on those thought processes. And, and they didn't really come to fruition until people cracked open his journals and put this stuff together.
[00:23:51] Like, well, and then, then the idea that he was making flying machines before the physical technology was available. Uh huh. Right. [00:24:00] Yeah. And then when and then when, when the physical technology actually came in, matured enough, somebody took his designs and said, yep, he was right on track. Yeah, he he never realized the actual completion of that idea because it wasn't possible to, I don't know, make some sort of carbon fiber wing blade or whatever. But when somebody did, it worked exactly like he thought it would.
[00:24:25] It's crazy, though, because we're in an age now where we don't have to wait. I mean, what's the Moore's Law, right? Is it Moore's law?
[00:24:33] Uh, Moore's law every 18 months, the I think generally the idea of Moore's Law is every 18 months or some period of time, processing power doubles.
[00:24:45] But can you apply that to to technology in general?
[00:24:49] Yeah, I was we were talking about me reading books. This is one I never finished either. I probably three pages from finishing, but it's called the book is called What Technology Wants.
[00:24:59] Oh, I thought that's [00:25:00] the one I was talking about perhaps. Anyway go ahead.
[00:25:04] They talk about in this book. That there are, for instance, the Wright brothers, Kitty Hawk. They're they're believed to be the first people who actually flew a plane, a heavier than air plane, right? Yes. But there's there's evidence that somebody in France may have done it a week ahead of time, a week before they did. Yeah.
[00:25:26] It's crazy how it, like, marched together.
[00:25:28] Right. And there's all of these instances throughout history where certain things were quote, discovered or quote, invented at the same time, and they're unrelated and unconnected, just because the technology on the Earth had advanced to a certain point where it was natural for someone to invent a flying machine or a combustion engine, right? Or a corkscrew that would lift water from the ground up to something higher.
[00:25:55] The Archimedes screw?
[00:25:56] Yes, yes, yes. So so so, yeah. So what [00:26:00] technology wants sort of like, sort of gives the idea that this crap's going to get invented no matter what. And sometimes you need a genius to do it and sometimes it's just going to happen no matter what. It's just time because nature dictates that it's time for that to happen. It's crazy. It's crazy. They talk about like like over, over the eons. Like the development of the eyeball is actually gone from something that seas to something that's blind to something that sees again, it just keeps like moving beyond what it was, and then it ends up destroying itself, and then it ends up recreating itself. It's wow. Again, not finished the book. Okay. You're crossing like 19 different fingers here.
[00:26:43] I got to okay, the first one, the whole Wright Brothers thing. Interesting. I read an article again on Reddit the other day and I subscribed to the forum that is the the aviation forum, and this guy made this pilgrimage to [00:27:00] the first flight airport in Kitty Hawk. And he flew over it in an airplane, which is really cool. And he's got pictures in the album and it's it's remarkable because it's got an obelisk and then like some old buildings out there where, you know, perhaps the the Wright Flier was built and everything like that, and then kind of like this L-shaped little thing which is the track that the, the track that the Wright Flier took. And in the track, you know, it's got markings like this was the first flight and here's the third flight and this is where they went. Well, the cool part about that is, is I had a relationship to that right there. And the excuse me, the relationship is that I used to fly out of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, which has a gigantic runway like 10,000ft. Right. Two miles.
[00:27:54] Yeah. You showed it to me when I was out there. That was awesome.
[00:27:57] Well, at the end of the runway is Huffman Prairie, [00:28:00] where the Wright Brothers barn used to be, and it's rebuilt for posterity's sake. And the way that they knew it was right there was that there was this empty space. And then there was a ring of empty beer bottles all the way around the barn. Right. Well, everybody knows that.
[00:28:17] Beer, like, is involved with everything, right? Right.
[00:28:19] Totally. Yeah. They designed and tested the Wright Flier concepts at Huffman Prairie, which is where Wright-Patterson Air Force Base is. Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Right. So and it was really weird because I used to fly the Aero Club Piper Warriors over that thing, which is like the most basic training aircraft you can get, you know, you know, steel cables and stuff like that with a piston engine. And even though it's modern materials, it's not that far removed from the Wright Flier other than that it's got an empennage with tail, you know, tail control surfaces instead of that stuff up in the front. And it's not made out of fabric or wood, but but there are [00:29:00] still certified aircraft and by all rights, very modern aircraft that are made out of fabric and wood with reciprocating engines on them, which is really not that far removed. It's like maybe version six, you know, from the Wright Flier, right? And they're they're really fast. They're amazing. So I made this comment on it. And I also think it's kind of weird that at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, the 445th Air Wing used to fly C-141s and C-5s and now C-17s out of Wright-Patterson, and they fly every time they take off. They fly over Huffman Prairie. Right. And these are all record setting heavy lift aircraft, right? That fly right over the veritable zygote of aviation. Right. There's no question that aviation was born there.
[00:29:46] Yeah, born.
[00:29:46] Right right there. And they have these airplanes that can put you can put, you know, three m1A1 Abrams tanks that are 70,000 pounds apiece. And maximum time to climb is the fastest [00:30:00] thing ever, which is which is really crazy. And then on top of that, I know it's sort of sad, but one of the pilots in the United Airlines flight that was killed on nine divided by 11 was a 445th Air Wing pilot. So you have like the like it would be interesting to like center the development of aviation around the Huffman Prairie and then perhaps around the the Kitty Hawk area and see the relationship there kind of in a hub and spoke thing maybe as, as paying homage to the bicycle shop and whatnot. But anyway, to see the relationship because, you know, nine over 11 was one of the worst, not the worst, but one of the most important aviation incidents that occurred in modern history. And it has a relationship to all those other things and, and those the aviation portion of it and the other portions of it crossed paths at Huffman Prairie, I think. I don't know, in my mind that's super.
[00:30:59] Which just sort of a convergence [00:31:00] of ideas. And it is.
[00:31:02] In like convergence in time, kind of.
[00:31:04] Poetic. It is I get it, I get it, I'm down with it, I dig it.
[00:31:06] So second, fingers crossed. What about the Secure Walls initiative and Mom and Dad's backyard?
[00:31:13] Oh, how deep is that fricking hole back there?
[00:31:16] It's deep, dude.
[00:31:19] Stateside. I went over there the other day. Took ace the dog. Oh, no. Let him out to go pee. They says, hey, don't follow that whole the boom. Hear this big thump? Walked right off the edge of the deck. So what is it good for? Like a solid four feet from the.
[00:31:41] Yeah, I can stand. Yeah, it's probably four feet, because I can stand in the hole and the edge of the deck comes up to my shoulder. Right.
[00:31:47] So he walked off in the dark into, into this thing like, oh man. Ass over teakettle like hit hard. And now he's stuck in the trough, the trench. Right. The trench warfare from World War One trying to [00:32:00] get out. There's no.
[00:32:01] Way to get out of.
[00:32:01] There. You went all the way around the corner, down the other side. Found a way out. And then trying to get him. Come back up the stairway. Well, it's dark again. And now he's on the outside of the wall of this thing. He's like, screw this, going up the stairs. I'm going to hop over this wall, back up onto what is flat ground, and proceeds to go up four feet in the air to go over the wall and then back down, right back down into the trench. Dude, I don't know how none of the the Wolfpack have actually fallen into this thing. This is it is not an insignificant hole in the ground.
[00:32:39] No, it's I had to get some jargon to get some to move the dirt.
[00:32:45] Oh, dude, Amazon's got a sale. Like there's like, if you're a prime customer, you can get jargon for like 30% off at this point.
[00:32:54] You know, I don't think it's probably worth more than 30% off, I mean, honestly. [00:33:00]
[00:33:01] Sidebar if you need more, I got a bunch of my garage, so come on over and get some. Yeah, and.
[00:33:05] I think I've got some spare around too, you know? I mean, between the two of us. Probably be 20 bucks an hour, right?
[00:33:12] Oh, easy. It's awesome. Yeah.
[00:33:14] So if you need any, just let us know. Don't don't go buy some on your own. Not at.
[00:33:18] Retail. No.
[00:33:20] But you know how it is. So, uh. Yeah, I have a retaining wall that I'm building. All I need to do is finish one cap. And now that I have the concrete mixer, I'm going to lay some rebar. So the two projects that need to be done before summer are the retaining wall and the fence, this cure fence initiative. So and I'm working on the fence right now so.
[00:33:43] Ssdi SFI right. Secure fence initiative. Yes. To go along with SDI the.
[00:33:52] Secure ditch.
[00:33:54] Initiative. No. I'm trying to bait all of the liberals in the audience. [00:34:00] Oh there's a couple of them with some Reagan era Star Wars references.
[00:34:06] The Secure Fence Initiative is going to be the most expensive project ever undertaken. It'll be great.
[00:34:12] Even more than the f 35. Awesome. This is fantastic.
[00:34:16] Yeah, it would be like $14 million a section. I'm going to make it out of carbon fiber, but it'll be hand laid.
[00:34:25] That's the that's the best carbon fiber is hand laid carbon fiber.
[00:34:28] Yes yes indeed. All right man, tell me about two factor authentication.
[00:34:34] Why what two factor authentication. Are you guys ready for this. This is some this is riveting, riveting stuff. Let's just go back probably the last week and a half, maybe two weeks. There's been some security breaches or password hacks or whatever. Right. Twitter. There's Twitter accounts of Newsweek, the Twitter CFO, Anthony Noto, [00:35:00] as well as Facebook accounts of Delta Airlines and then a security consultant, Mark Burnett. I don't think he's part of a any sort of television shows that are being published. He's a security researcher that published 10 million real passwords and usernames. And then there's also the Athena, the health care.
[00:35:23] Wait, 10 million?
[00:35:25] Yeah. Okay. Why? Yeah, well, it's 10 million. Then. There's also the Athena medical system. They got all of their user names and passwords and information hacked and breached. So this is a call to anybody who cares about this stuff to adopt what they call two factor authentication. Basically you have your username and your password. And then you add another layer which is the second layer of password basically on top of it.
[00:35:57] Okay. So how does it work. [00:36:00] So say, you know, everybody knows that I'm old school. I've actually been made fun of because I have a Hotmail address and I'm like, screw you. I've had this since 1994.
[00:36:08] Yeah. No, your OG hotmail, I.
[00:36:10] Am original gangster like bring it. I mean, they're going to grandfather me in when the next revolution besides email comes, they're going to be like let's give it to these guys. Right.
[00:36:19] Call them up first. Yeah.
[00:36:21] There's no numbers. There's no numbers. Oh I know in my in my Hotmail address. Do you know.
[00:36:26] How hard it is to get a two, a two letter domain or two two letter Twitter handle? It's super hard. They're all gone. It's crazy. Anyways. Yeah. So you have an old school Hotmail account?
[00:36:38] I do, yeah.
[00:36:39] So when you log in with Mike is awesome at Hotmail.com and then your password is I'm so awesome one I'm so awesome. 123. And that's your password. And then you get into your awesome Hotmail account or Gmail or Facebook space or my book or Twitter. [00:37:00]
[00:37:00] Nicely done. That's the veritable nod no and say yes.
[00:37:06] Uh huh, I'm dizzy now, but. So I'm just sort of giving an example of this isn't Hotmail, it's anything that you would log into with a username and a password. Then when you give your password, it says, oh, hey, I need your extra code. And the extra code that you provide is a, is a is a code or a password that's generated at that moment. It's not something that you've memorized. Okay. So that a hacker or somebody who wants to steal your stuff doesn't get to look at your your file on your computer that says all my passwords dot txt right. And just list everything out, right? Even if they got your username and your password, they don't know what the the generated password is.
[00:37:50] So how how do they not know? I mean where does it come from.
[00:37:54] It comes from another source and it goes to a separate source. So [00:38:00] if you're on your computer, for instance, and you say Mike is awesome and hotmail.com and my password is I am awesome, one, two, three then all of a sudden you hit enter and it says, I need, I need the third code and your phone goes ping pong. And there's a text with that third code. It only goes to that phone or only goes to some other device that supposedly a hacker would not have got it.
[00:38:25] Got it. Okay, so the obvious question is what if they hack your phone and you're like, uh, it it can happen, but you have.
[00:38:32] It can happen. Hopefully your phone is password protected, right?
[00:38:36] Yes, mine is because I have kids that will buy thousands of dollars worth of crap on in-app purchases. Right.
[00:38:41] So it's adding it's not 100% foolproof, but it's adding an entire other level. And so I'm trying not to be really confusing for all of our listener. Yeah.
[00:38:53] This is the explain it like I'm five deal. Right.
[00:38:55] So you have a username and a password and you can get in. Well, if somebody [00:39:00] else gets your username and password they can also get in. Usually most people have another account. So they have their Hotmail or Gmail with a password. And then they may or may not have their Facebook account with the exact same password. Yes. Yeah. So once somebody gets access to one, they may have access to many other things, which include credit card numbers, which include your address, which includes Social Security numbers. So when you if you can make that first barrier the password problem harder to get into, you're better off. Right. So some of these tools don't include having a text. Some of them. Instead of getting a text on your phone, there's an app that you can put on your phone Android, iPhone. Also, this other thing called Windows Phone will have apps that generate these these secret codes on the fly as you go.
[00:39:56] Good. Okay.
[00:39:57] So it increases, you [00:40:00] know, the security of these accounts by what, 33%? Basically.
[00:40:04] I bet it's more than that.
[00:40:05] More than that. But if you just count the steps like username, password, second password. Right. So there's three levels instead of two. Somebody you can do statistics can tell me better. But so is.
[00:40:17] There is it difficult to turn on.
[00:40:19] No. Every every service kind of does it their own different way. But I, I was sort of tired of. I got my hotmail, my face space, my Facebook, Gmail, Twitter, my bank account all done within about an hour. Wow.
[00:40:39] That's good. Okay, I can see the reason why you would want to do it on your bank account. And then the fact that whether or not you like it or not, there's information, there's PII, personally identifiable information that's embedded in all of your emails. Right.
[00:40:52] So so this researcher published 10 million real passwords and usernames. If your name is on this list or you're a [00:41:00] current or former customer of Athena medical medicine or whatever, right. And all of your information just got put out there, you still, if you have this two factor authentication, you still have one layer that has not been published because because the second password is generated at at the time of the request.
[00:41:21] And so you can't guess it. And that's probably a time, a time frame that it's right for.
[00:41:25] Every one of these, every every one of these second passwords are only good for 15 minutes or an hour or some short amount of time.
[00:41:32] So what okay, so I do have some background in like cyber defense and stuff like that. I'm not an expert by any means, but I have worked for a long time on the periphery of of what I would consider and actually most experts would consider to be the cutting edge of of cyber defense in the country. And one of the things that you realize is that timing is one of the huge factors for people to get their their passwords or whatever stolen. And [00:42:00] then there's a concept called brute force. And if you know, most most places won't won't allow you to do brute force attacks. That's the whole like type these letters in this box, you know, kind of thing. So like if you put in the wrong password 3 or 4 times and then it says, hey, I've got I want you to do this other thing before you're allowed to put in the password again. It breaks that time cycle so that somebody can't just run a script and go, you know, try all the available passwords. Right. So brute force is just guessing, just straight up guessing. Now, uh, Sister Christy has a telephone with a lock on it. That is one of those, like, visual things. You know, you push these six dots in this certain sequence, a sequence lock, right. And her, she's reset it a couple of times, and her kids figure it out.
[00:42:56] Yeah. Listener Caitlin, my daughter, I [00:43:00] came home yesterday like, wait a minute. I always lock my computer just out of habit. How did this get in with some query about different soil types? Because she's taken some class. Oh, I know your password, dad. I'm like, oh no way, dude. She's like, oh yeah, I know your password.
[00:43:20] Dude, you totally need to change your password.
[00:43:22] I know right?
[00:43:23] She's going to start using it for her own password. Dude.
[00:43:28] So you're saying the picture with the dots?
[00:43:30] Yeah. I mean, it works and everything like that, but the kids can overcome it. And that's the best example I can come up with is of a brute force attack. So. So is there anything you can post to show people?
[00:43:42] Yeah, I have an article that talks about it. I hope I explained it clearly enough because the main concept really isn't that hard. And if you go to one of your accounts, most of the major ones have a way of doing this, and it's really not that difficult. Okay. Um, uh, [00:44:00] and you should go check your bank account like I'm a member of BCU, and they don't offer this, but I'm also a member of this other credit union called First Tech. Uh, and they offer it. So, you know, that bank account is more secure than the other one. And it. And once I, once I got it set up, it really isn't that big. It isn't like, oh my God, every time I have to enter two passwords, you can also say I log in from this device all the time. Right. So I'm going to give you the second password one time and you're just going to remember it. Right. So so the idea is if somebody steals your account and password and they go down to Starbucks and they try to do it on a different computer, then they will get challenged for that extra thing. So once you once you establish it, it's sort of invisible and seamless. And then there's other ways that you can say if I'm if, if I'm asked for this, this third or second password on another device, I'll get an email or a [00:45:00] text, right. And then I can say, yeah, that was me or somebody else is trying to get in.
[00:45:06] Okay. So okay, I think what we should talk about next time around this area, because we're both interested in it. And frankly, I field a lot of emails about this particular thing in general is how somebody gets your email and your email address and sends crap mail to everybody on your list.
[00:45:26] Mike, what's your last?
[00:45:27] Name?
[00:45:29] Yes. It's Nelson. Right.
[00:45:31] What's your first name?
[00:45:32] It's Mike.
[00:45:33] Yeah. How many people know your middle name? Anybody? I'm telling everybody it's Lewis, right? So all of a sudden, we all know that you have an old school Hotmail account. Your first name is Mike. Your middle name is Lewis. Your last name is Nelson? Yes. So there's only a small amount of permutations to be able to guess it just by based on knowing who you are. And you said and you said on a on a [00:46:00] publicly distributed podcast, there's no numbers in your name and your email name.
[00:46:04] Dude, you're going to have to bleep all of this out.
[00:46:08] But Mike, when you when you when you engage with your two factor authentication, you're not going to have to worry about this are you.
[00:46:16] Yeah. No. Well but the point is is like I get the email that says. Hey, apparently somebody from my email address sent out a link to all everybody in my address book, and I have a complex password. How on earth did they get it? And how did they know that people were in my email? That's the question. I think we need to answer it next time, because there's actually a simple way to a simple explanation, and it'll stop the whole, you know, I mean, you can change your password, but it's probably not that your password was hacked.
[00:46:48] Yeah. And then there's other things too, where you'll see somebody on Facebook like, oh my God, Janice got her account got hacked, right. Be careful. Everyone like, no, [00:47:00] her account didn't get hacked. There's other ways to get all of her contact information without hacking directly into her account. Right. Most of the time, if somebody if a robot or somebody who wants to do you harm or get money from your account can get into your account, they're not going to spray out email to all of your contacts, right? They're going to quietly just kind of keep this on the side and make $100,000 based on having your identity in their control. So just just the fact that somebody's spamming from your friend's email account doesn't mean they've necessarily been hacked. Right? So we should hit that on another one. Yep. I hope I've been clear and not confusing.
[00:47:43] So what I'm hearing you say is that you're encouraging the use of two party, two party authentication. Yes. Or two factor authentication. Yes. Two party authentication is nuclear weapons.
[00:47:53] Yes. That's two keys in the submarine. Right. It is. We're talking two factor. It's basically having a second [00:48:00] temporary password that you have to supply.
[00:48:02] So what you could also extrapolate is that we are now using nuclear technology in our Hotmail.
[00:48:08] Absolutely.
[00:48:11] I know I like it. All right man.
[00:48:13] All right. Hey I got to go and hey, thanks for calling, Mike.
[00:48:19] Yeah, anytime.
[00:48:21] Maybe I'll put up fences of the Secure Borders Kirkland initiative.
[00:48:24] Yeah. Send photos of that hole in the ground, too. By the way.
[00:48:27] I actually have them. I'll put.
[00:48:28] Them up. All right. Sweet. Later. I'll talk you later. Bye bye.
[00:48:32] See the sleep. The rest upon the quiet street.
[00:48:37] Was that at all? Is it time to go away? Try again some other day. Sleeves of words. We use. To say goodbye. These [00:49:00] are words you use to say goodbye. Bones crack curtains drawn on my back and.
[00:49:19] She is gone somewhere else.
[00:49:23] I do not know. Time will tell. And I will go. These are. We use to say goodbye. These are the words. Words we use to say goodbye. I [00:50:00] will wait.
[00:50:26] Take a turn, sort it.
[00:50:29] Out, let it burn and empty out. Empty drawer in my pockets. There's nothing more. He was all. Two years. To say goodbye. These are. We used. To say goodbye. [00:51:00] I'm.