Trash can talk is STILL going on. That’s right, you’ve done the math, but we won’t address that.
Mike is the President, of the HOA. Still trashcans on the sidewalk.
Mike might be a single issue politician, to start with at least.
Mike has a wonderland under his house, in the crawlspace. It’s all cleaned up now though.
Dave is worried he might get COVID from Mike, from Mike’s mic.
Mike can host up to 9 men in his crawlspace.
Mike has the water… for when we run out of water. But he won’t give you any of his guns.
There is a hole in Dave’s sweater.
Mike got another dog.
There may be a community dog mushing race soon.
Skijoring with Dogs

Transcription … such as it is:
Mike Nelson 0:16

Hey, Mike Nelson here. renaissance man. Hey, Dave. How you doing, Mike? Oh, man. I'm doing okay. Good to hear ya. Good to see you. Yeah, good. See it? Good. Good to be seen too. Yeah.

All right. Yeah, it's been a little bit. Uh, so yeah, garbage cans, man.

David Nelson 0:34

I've been thinking about that since last episode. Like, you pretty worried about that? It seems like a pretty interesting thing for you. You know, I gotta be honest with you since the last episode, I have become the president of the HOA.

Oh,

Mike Nelson 0:51

and it hasn't made a damn bit of difference on the garbage.

David Nelson 0:55

Oh, you so you haven't even been able to use your executive authority to make something happen? Yeah, you know, it's kind of funny. executive authority is kind of a weird thing. And,

Mike Nelson 1:07

you know, most people don't give a crap at about a crap about executive authority. So, you know, all I can do is just kind of like,

I guess it's just kind of working the press, if you will, I have what's called a president's blog. And a few times, you know, I've just said, Hey, you know, kids in the street kids on the sidewalk. But, you know, to be honest with you, it doesn't really matter right now, because the kids aren't on the sidewalk. Why not?

You know, weird. I don't know. COVID-19, if you will? Oh, yeah. No, it's totally crazy. It's totally crazy around here. I mean, I still really feel like that the cans should be on the street. And it's a personal thing for me. And I've actually had stickers printed up that say, and they've got a pictogram on them, you know, I'll have to post it. But the pictogram says, you know, cans in the street, kids on the sidewalk, and it's got, you know, stick figure kids on the sidewalk with cans in the street. So it's like, you know, you don't even have to read English in order to figure that out. But I haven't, I haven't, like, made the gumption to go around the neighborhood and stick those stickers on the garbage cans yet.

David Nelson 2:26

So you, is this a sticker of your own design, then? Or is this a standard?

Mike Nelson 2:31

Oh, no, it's my it's my own design. And you know, from the last episode, I called waste management. And they were like, yeah, you're, you're good to go, man.

It's just, I just don't want to piss a bunch of people off.

It's, it's better to be friendly than it is to be passive aggressive, regardless of whether or not you've got business cards to say, don't you park like an ass? Or, you know, you know, stickers that say cans in the street kids on the sidewalk? Although, I think there is a difference between

telling somebody you park like an ass versus

Hey, man, put your cans in the street so that the kids, the kids can be safe. You know, it's it's not like, it's not like a safety issue.

I don't know. I've kind of, you know, six and one half dozen, the other. I suppose I'm like, I'm kind of pandering till to political power. Because I've got some other things that I want to get done in the neighborhood. But at the same time, like the reason I decided to join the HOA and become the president was specifically because it was tiresome for me to walk around the cans that were in the sidewalk instead of in the street. You became you got yourself on to the HOA because of the cans. That's exactly right. Wow.

David Nelson 3:56

That's a Is that like a single issue? Are you like a single issue politician here,

Mike Nelson 4:00

dude, don't get me started. I have actually, you know, I gotta be honest with you.

I mean, not not trying to like dive too far into it. Because there's no reason to be divisive here, but I have not. I have become the single issue guy.

Right, like

yeah, for instance. Okay. Again, I mean, we're gonna get into this here and I'm totally, I'm totally open to anybody that's gonna listen to us, for them to kind of rebut or to give us their opinion. But like, if, if, if it were to be a single issue for me would be like, oh, guns, right? You know, gun owners rights or something like that. And King and kingsgate.

Just Just in general.

I mean, not necessarily kingsgate I'm pretty sure I'm the only gun owner in Kings.

You know, which is like in the heart of King County, Washington, it's, it's totally fine. You know. And ironically, some of the people that live around me are like, hey, if this all goes to hell, can I borrow a gun?

And you know, I'm sort of like, no.

Yeah, no,

David Nelson 5:22

come live in my crawlspace. There's plenty of water for you down there.

Mike Nelson 5:27

Yeah. And third, third hands.

David Nelson 5:34

tell you about the water in the crawlspace. Like, what the heck is this all about?

Mike Nelson 5:37

Oh, my goodness, Dave, you got to be kidding me. Right. So

I don't know. A few weeks ago, I was like, Alright, I got it. You just heard my cough. And I've sort of been trying to figure out what my cough is. It's not COVID I've been tested twice, once in August, and once in October, and it's been negative both times.

David Nelson 6:00

We're doing this clearly over over remote connection. Right? Where and you're coughing, like, mixed, like, Oh, my God just coughing on me. Like through the microphone. I just

Mike Nelson 6:09

Yeah, dude, you're not gonna get COVID through the mic.

Sorry.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah, so I, you know, I want to be careful. And we've got elderly parents and whatnot. And I don't, I don't want anybody to get covid based on me having it. So I've been tested once in August, and once in October, based on this persistent cough that I've had, and, you know, it's December. And you know, so we're talking August, early August, August, six, August, September, October, November, December, we're talking about four months. And it was probably two months before that, that it kind of acquired it.

And so I've been sort of racking my brain, like what's going on here, and I've got a sinus thing. And it's just, it's been persistent for, you know, seven, almost eight months. And it's like, Is it an allergy thing? No, I don't think it's an allergy thing. I can take allergy pills, that kind of stuff. Well, what is it in the house? You know, I wake up in the morning, and I've got like this kind of chest, chest tightness.

So I called the size called clean crawls. And I was like, Hey, yo, get over here. And they're like, okay, sweet. So this.

This is classic King County, right? This, you know, mill, you know, early 30s, white dude shows up. Hey, Mr. Nelson, how you doing? I'm doing great. No problem. Hey, go under the house and like, Oh, yeah, here's our menu of services. This is what I think you need. I'm like, whatever I don't give a Frick do at all. And he was like, Okay, so what? What do you want to do to the other the crawlspace? And I was like, that one? That one? That one? That one? That one? That one and that one. And he was like a Friday at four o'clock? And he's like, Oh,

I was like,

David Nelson 8:03

he was hoping that he just gonna pop his head in and they're like, now you're good, man. And you're like, No, I want the full meal deal.

Mike Nelson 8:09

Well, actually, what I think was is

David Nelson 8:11

he wants you to dig a pit and put a put a pig in the pit.

Mike Nelson 8:15

Yes, exactly. So what I think was he was having a tough week, because, you know, it's not specifically cheap. But I had budgeted for this. And I knew what it was going to cost. Yeah, you know, and I wanted him specifically to go under the house, take all of the detritus and bullcrap out from under the house. I wanted him to take all of the old vapor barrier out. And anything else that would be under there, I wanted it to seal all the air holes and from the under the house to the to the living area of the house. You know, and I wanted him to put a new vapor barrier barrier in and I wanted him to insulate all of my pipes and all of the ducting and then put 30 inches of insulation on my floor.

David Nelson 9:03

That's a lot, man. That's a lot.

Mike Nelson 9:06

Yeah, it's our 30

I was like, okay, whatever, man. And that's what he offered. I was like, Yeah, do it. Yeah,

David Nelson 9:14

that's a standard.

Mike Nelson 9:15

Yeah, actually, I actually have no idea

whether or not the standard or not, but

I was like, so when can you do it? It was Friday. He's like, I can be here as early.

So great. I'm standing on my patio with my face mask on. And I just look, I look at me like, okay, when can you do it? And he goes, I can be here as early as 8am tomorrow. And I was like, Yeah, no. How about Monday?

Like, I don't have time for this on on, you know, Saturday afternoon.

He's like, great. What time do you want me here on Monday? And I was like, seven. He's like, no problem.

So he didn't even show up dude. It was like

Three trucks of clink clink. I mean, it's hard to say clean crawls,

David Nelson 10:05

cream crawl,

Mike Nelson 10:08

crawls, right? And the the foreman of the job spoke broken English. And I was sort of leaning on my son who speaks you know, fourth year Spanish to say, Yeah, get under there. Do your employer el guapo on them.

I should have. And they went under there and they pulled a tea bags, like big 55 gallon bags of just crapped out from under the house. All right now is this. How do you get 18? Beg for the stuff? Is this just leftover from building the house? Or is this old man? What's his face living in there? Yeah. So I would say it's probably six bags of of leftover from building the house. And the other bags are old man. What's his face?

Dude, there

David Nelson 11:00

was he doing under there? Yeah, no, you told me when you moved in there, like, like, electrical light switches underneath the house all over the place. And

Mike Nelson 11:09

yeah, so. So actually, under the house, there's actually lights and there's two plugs. And there's, they're not switches, and you just, and there's like a receptacle and you just plug the plug in. And you plug the plug in and you're like, Oh, that's eight lights under the house. That's great. And then you go to the other one in the garage, and you're like, Oh, it's another five. So when you plug those in, you can see everything under there. You can see everything. And I had known when I moved in that the previous owner had dug out, like a space for a 30 gallon jug of water

Unknown Speaker 0:00

You know who I am?

Mike Nelson 11:47

that had been treated. And you know, frankly, it's fine. You know, I did my military time. And I know how to do this. The troll we talked,

David Nelson 11:54

we talked all sorts of stuff in previous shows about preparing all sorts of stuff like that.

Mike Nelson 12:00

Yeah, yeah. And it's taped, and it's dated and stuff like that. There. You know, there's no reason to think that it would be anything other than fine. And this is the format of the job. He comes up from under the house and he's like, hey, sir. And I'm like, Okay, he's like, there's 430 gallon containers of water in this area. And he kind of like pointed to this area of the house. Do you want those out? And I was like, are they sealed? He's like, yeah, they're sealed. They're fine. And I was like, do they have, you know, tape on them? He's like, yeah, it's just like the other ones over there. Which is on the other side of the house. So the previous owner put a total of 630 gallon containers of water. And it's got to be at least two decades. And they're the water is fine. It's got bleach in it. There's no sunlight. It's theirs. It's hermetically sealed. It's taped. It's it's not there's nothing wrong with it. He's like, do you want those out of there? And I was like, Nope, just put the vapor barrier right over top of those things. He's like, yeah, I think I would do the same thing. Yeah, so you know, there's, you know, six times three, you know, six times 30 gallons of clean water that are stored under my house. And then the guy's like, what about all the shelves? And I was like, shells? He's like, Yeah, he's like, what about all the shelves? And I was like, shelves, and he's like, Yeah, do you want those out? I'm like, Is there anything on him? He's like, now I'm like, nope, get them out. So yeah, I mean, I mean, let's be real here. It costs I mean, I live in about a 2800 square foot house, maybe a little bit less than that. And, you know, probably two thirds of that space is on the ground floor. And these guys came in and they cleaned out all the crap in the bottom of the of the house. And then they replace the vapor barrier, and then they insulated all of my water pipes and then they insulated all of my h fac ducting, which by the way, the guy showed up with pictures with these holes that were in the fact that were the size of you know, eight inch dinner plates and he's like, you want me to patch that? I'm like yes patch it and seal it up in the holes get there

David Nelson 14:35

that how the raccoons trying to get out of your your out.

Mike Nelson 14:40

Man the old raccoon sorry. Yeah, no uh, there was some other like, you know, heater registers that were just abandon and they never got sealed up. And then like when we moved in there was legitimately like, a six and a half inch hole in my heater register. That was just blowing into dirt under the house, and I went under there, and I just put duct tape around it and sealed it up. So but the whole story about this thing is that like about four and a half, five years ago, I went under there and I started to seal it up with a new vapor vapor barrier, and I hurt my back. And, you know, we went hunting the day after I had like, spent a week doing this. It's that how

David Nelson 15:29

your back was hurt.

If your back was all messed

Mike Nelson 15:33

up, right, and I just, I could never get back under there. And it was three quarters of the way done. So I just talked to the guy and I was like, Hey, man, there's some really great vapor barrier under there. And it's it's sealed to the the sill plate, you know, just cut it a foot, and then, you know, run it up and then tape it. And he was like, no problem. I got that. I mean, the guys were great. But it was crazy. Man, I gotta be honest with you is totally crazy. If you've ever thought about this or ever even not a thought about this, you should totally consider it because I have spent a significant amount of time under that house. And number one, I did not know that there were another four holes in my, my forced air gas heating system that were you know, the size of six or eight inch dinner plates, because there was this crappy ass insulation around it. And this dude was like, You want me to patch those? And I was like, absolutely, yes. And he patched them and riveted it and then taped it for for those things. And then on top of that, he pulled all of the old stuff out of there, put a new vapor barrier and put a new he put new insulation around my water pipes, and put new insulation around all of my ducting. And then went around after that and make sure that all of the penetrations through the through the floor into the house are sealed with foam. So I mean, it's sealed up.

David Nelson 17:01

So if you get flooded, your house will just float away because it's like, yeah, tie it on the bottom.

Mike Nelson 17:07

Yeah, it's totally airtight. But the The point is, is like they started about eight o'clock in the morning on like a Monday. And by about 1030 I could not hear those guys anymore. And it's because they they put 30 inches of insulation on my floor. And I live there was nine guys under the house. And they were all they were all fit after 30 inches. Dude, I like went under there. I threw my mask on and my coveralls on. And I was like, Oh, I'm gonna go crawl around and look. And I got down there. And I crawled like eight feet. And I was like, Nope, I'm out of here. I'm never doing this again. No more room. Nope, there's no more room and those dudes are all laying on their back. You know, and the lights are on and everything like that. But they were all over the place. And I was like, Well, if there's a guy over there, there's a guy over there. There's a guy over there, there's no chance that they didn't do it. So, you know, I mean? Yeah. And then like, kind of like I like literally sat at the dinner table. And I was working on my computer that day. And you know, from nine o'clock, I could hear them but by 1030 I could not hear any of them. And it changed the entire dynamic of the house man, like the doors close. And I think it's because there's no fluctuations in the temperature temperature. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, there's one or two creeks in, you know, a wall here and there. But like the house is generally 30% quieter. The heater, the forced air gas, which is actually going away next week. I'm getting a new one. And because it's 35 years old that it only runs twice a day. Instead of like 13 times a day. Yeah. Like for Okay, so let's be real. We spent $4,000 on it. And we budgeted for it. It was fine. But for the $4,000 we should have done it 10 years ago.

David Nelson 19:10

Yeah, you would have made up your money it just just the cost for running the furnace and all that kind of stuff.

Mike Nelson 19:16

Yeah, yeah, it was amazing isn't for them to just did the deposit nine guys under my house and do whatever they do and then you know, they're done in seven hours. Was frickin remarkable.

David Nelson 19:30

that's a that's a big crew.

Mike Nelson 19:32

Dude, two trucks. And I was I'm pretty certain they were just like three person box trucks. And then that said each of it had for four and a half guys in the back. Well, you know, with the roller door down, and then they just showed up and they're like, Hey, Mr. Nelson here, sign here and give me your credit card. They got took a picture of my credit card, roll off the door. Boom, they're in there. It was done and done. Yeah, so I mean Honestly listener Kevin, he was the guy was like, Yeah, dude. Clean crawls is like the way to go. And, and I was sort of a skeptic, a little bit skeptical, but at the same time, I was like, man, I gotta solve this problem because, you know, I'm getting, I'm getting letters from PSC about my energy consumption and the house is always cold. And, you know, it's the doors don't close and stuff like that

David Nelson 20:25

got worse, or is it just always been like that,

Mike Nelson 20:27

you know, I'm so relating back to my cough. I would always wake up about like, like, you know, 435 when I've got the furnace, kind of scheduled to warm up the house before everybody gets up. And I've, and, you know, the cough thing is kind of weird. Like, I'm, like, not trying to get into too much detail here. But I've never been diagnosed with asthma or anything like that. And I've been all over the world. And I've lived you know, 200 yards from the burn pit and Ana mattress that I literally recovered from the burn pit for months on end, and had vaccinations and all kinds of like, assaults to my immune system, and have never been as sick as I've been, ever. Yeah. And like, I'm like, What is going on? So you know, and I go to the doctor, and they're like your lung sounds. Your lungs be clear.

David Nelson 21:27

My lung feels great. I smell bad today. My

Mike Nelson 21:30

longest fine. Exactly. Right. All of the doctors that have been here like now you're long satisfied. Anyway, you know, Holly says that too. But I'm like, What about it's at 5am when I'm like, I can't breathe. And I'm literally on an inhaler. So I'm just like, maybe it's the furnace. Maybe I'm blowing dust or whatever. I mean, I've had a little bit of improvement since then. Maybe I'm just old. I don't know. I don't know what it is. But

David Nelson 21:59

32 now, aren't you?

Mike Nelson 22:00

4042 That's right.

David Nelson 22:05

I want to be 50 next week, man.

Mike Nelson 22:08

I know. December 8.

David Nelson 22:12

How long have we been doing this show man?

Mike Nelson 22:14

Since 2015, man?

David Nelson 22:18

Um, I think it's even earlier than that.

Mike Nelson 22:20

You think so? 2013? Maybe

David Nelson 22:22

I got on my phone right here. I listen to all the episodes all the time, right.

Mike Nelson 22:28

Me too in the shower.

David Nelson 22:30

I know the stats just say it's just two people listen all the time. So anyway, Scott. This is riveting. me just thumbing through all of the

Mike Nelson 22:46

Oh, yeah, man. It's high quality.

David Nelson 22:50

There we go to march 25 2014.

Mike Nelson 22:55

Yeah, man, I think we're both in a different space.

David Nelson 22:58

Oh, yeah. I've been through a couple spaces since then. Yeah, I

Mike Nelson 23:02

mean, I gotta be honest with you. I think I have to. I mean, let's be real like. Yeah, no, I I think that it's served a purpose, both individually and corporately. So I've had some feedback from some of my friends that are like, I love it. You guys are you know, genuine. But to be honest with you, for me in that space. I was dealing with, you know, moving out of a career field. That was very, very, you know, adrenaline centric. Yeah. And, and moving into it, which I'm more comfortable now. I'm, I mean, don't don't don't take my clear my throat for over.

David Nelson 24:01

For over. I

feel a lot. I'm really happy with where I'm at now.

Mike Nelson 24:05

Yeah. Yeah, I just need my frickin inhaler. Yeah, no, I think moving into a life where I'm more okay with not being the darker and more okay with wanting to make sure that I pass a legacy legacy to my kids. Hmm, yeah. And, you know, I don't know what the last five years means to you. I can assume what it means. But I don't want to assume. But I know that you've been through your own spaces.

David Nelson 24:38

Yeah, six years. Now everything's exactly the same. Everything's fine.

Mike Nelson 24:44

Yeah, I love it.

David Nelson 24:46

I did figure and since we started the podcast here, I have since then, started doing podcasts professionally. And I think I've estimated 10,000 hours of published audio like this Just constant like this is all I've been doing for a couple years now. So,

Mike Nelson 25:04

yeah, so let's, let's lay it out real quick. So we did about 35 or 40 hours of audio. And we did it both in various states of our lives where it was like, we're just doing it as a hobby. And then you basically took everything that we learned together and parlayed parlay that into a legitimate business that pays your bills. Yeah. Yeah. And and, you know, the reality of that is, is that it, it kind of defies explanation. For anybody that would be listening right now, the amount of hours and work that you've put into it to take what we did, and then turn it into a process. And, you know, like, a repeatable process, in order to charge somebody for your time has been thousands of hours.

David Nelson 26:04

Yeah, I. Yeah, that's interesting to think about now, like we talked about, like, the software that I use to do the editing is you, you bought a license for me said, Here, try this. I've never heard of it. And I, I've now purchased to virgin, two new versions since then. And a week ago, I recorded a podcast with the seventh richest person in the world. Calling in have some kind of I'm not I'm not the one talking. I'm just the one recording and editing at this point. So

Mike Nelson 26:39

yeah, no, but I think my point is, is that you were able to pivot? And that's critical. Yeah. That's great. I, you know, part of me is sort of like, oh, man, I want to be part of that. But that totally, I wasn't in the space. Oh, but you were

David Nelson 26:57

you were part of it. And, you know, reporting again, I guess you are part of that. So?

Mike Nelson 27:02

Well, no, I guess what I'm saying is this, it's like, I wasn't, I'm currently not in the military anymore. Yeah. I was still in the I mean, like, elbow deep in the military. You know, my kids were in a different space, my wife was in a different space. And, you know, I think it's good to acknowledge that people change. Yeah. And, you know, when I look back on our time, from rent, man, and then like, home ready, and, and, you know, Kevin ready and defend security and all that stuff. That was a developmental process, both for your, from your aspect, to be able to take it and repeat it, to make, you know, kind of financial gain from it. You know, those are all developmental processes that are critical. Both from an aspect of a podcast, where you, you got to be able to like, you can't you can't record an hour of podcast, and it's been 10 hours editing it, which we used to do. Yeah. Yeah.

David Nelson 28:12

So do that all the time.

Mike Nelson 28:14

Yeah. And you make any money on that? because nobody's gonna pay for that.

David Nelson 28:19

So if I do, it just makes your car your what your billing is, like eight cents an hour kind of thing. So.

Mike Nelson 28:26

Yeah. And then from a business perspective, it kind of like, enlighten me on like, oh, how do I need to run my own businesses so that I make sure that I'm paying attention to the bottom line, without abandoning who the customer is? And, you know, I think we both learned from it. Yeah, no, I, I have no regrets at all. Absolutely, absolutely. So, but I do what I do miss is the last, you know, few years is, I really, I listen to our old podcasts, and I really love just like talking about things like, you know, SpaceX, or how we raise our kids, or cans in the street and kids on the sidewalk, or, you know, how to, you know, put a patina on a knife, or, you know, Kevin, mechanic or whatever his name was the hacker. You know, and actually, some of the stuff that I listened to, I was like, I'm like, now I'm like, ooh, I shouldn't have been talking about that.

David Nelson 29:34

Shouldn't have given away the D, the DMV and the DMV,

Mike Nelson 29:37

the DMV in the DMZ? Yeah, no, but at the same time, it's totally worth it for my, for me, in our time to be able to go Nope. I think having an open exchange, even with listener, Brian and listener, Kevin and listener, Sarah, and all of them. It's totally worth it to be able to have conversations about the things that are going on at that time. I also

David Nelson 30:00

like the fact that it's sort of a documents place where we wrap just, you know what's on our brain. How many ice cubes I've frozen? How many cubic yards of concrete you poured? And yeah. Yeah, man, I

Mike Nelson 30:18

forgot about that. Yeah, it's it's good. You know? I don't regret any of it at all.

David Nelson 30:27

Oh, no, absolutely not.

Mike Nelson 30:29

So, all right. All right. So current events, what are you working on right now?

David Nelson 30:35

Uh, I just went and bought some yarn today, some wool. And I intend to repair my wool sweater.

Mike Nelson 30:45

You're gonna darn them?

David Nelson 30:47

I am. Yes. I don't know if we ever talked about it. We went one of our hunting trips. Apparently, I brought back a mouse an eight through. I don't know about you. I don't. I know some people who've listened to this show probably kick right home from hunting, and just unpack everything and put it all away. I don't know what to do the garage at this time I opened it is like nine hours before I leave for the next one. So I opened it up. And apparently, we had brought a mouse back home. There was mouse crap. And it basically ate its way out of the bag. And part of it was through the shoulder of my, my sweater. My favorite wool sweater. So I'm going to attempt to darn the wool sweater and repair it. So get rid of it.

Mike Nelson 31:36

So have you. I mean, have you researched how you supposed to do this?

David Nelson 31:40

I have no i have i've looked and I don't know, who knows what's gonna. It's funny. I mean, I try to do all this stuff anyways. And then you get COVID just locked down and just all the stuff you're trying to do to keep yourself occupied? I don't know. But that's that. I'm still doing edits on podcast and looking at creating some software in parallel with that, and just trying to keep busy and grow businesses. And my little kids aren't a little anymore. They're big. And one of them's in college and one's in high school. And like you're saying, just try to raise kids, right. Just keep doing that.

Mike Nelson 32:20

Yeah, it just kind of step through it. Right. Yep. So yep. Current events for me. I'm, I'm I have to to buy electric bike stores.

David Nelson 32:34

Which events that was even a couple years ago, you started that?

Mike Nelson 32:38

I know, man. It's been insane. And it's probably why we have been able to podcast for so long. But you know, there's a point when you just kind of have to go. Okay. I mean, we've been talking about re rebooting or rereading re rebooting.

Yeah, renaissance man. And if you've gotten this far into it, then you you understand. But it's not for lack of wanting to do it. It's just for lack of time. And I think we're both in this in a place right now where we can go, yep, I got some time every week. And it'll be fun to reboot, and kind of get back into the groove. Like some of us. I've liked. I've actually played some of the stuff that we recorded before for my eldest son, Ellis. And he's like, that's actually pretty funny. And I'm like, yeah, it's frickin funny. Are you funny? Like, we were totally the crew.

David Nelson 33:33

Oh, was it? Oh, God. Thanks. Yeah. Like,

Mike Nelson 33:40

like an egg Keller's like, Dad. Have you ever heard of a podcast? Yes.

David Nelson 33:47

I have

been asked if I know how YouTube works.

Mike Nelson 33:54

As daughter or son of mine, I actually invented like, half of that shit.

David Nelson 34:02

Kind of get how it

works. Yeah. See, it's this series of tubes. Right. And you take a truck, jump back the truck up to the two buddies dump all the videos into it right now how it works.

Mike Nelson 34:14

Yeah, it just slides out the back. Yeah. So you know, for me a couple businesses and then we've got you know, my daughter Audrey, who was born in 2015.

David Nelson 34:28

Or you did mention her? Yes.

Mike Nelson 34:30

Yeah, I mean, so but she she is formulating full sentences and in kindergarten now and can go to the bathroom buyers. Which I think is the critical aspect of all that is the greatest day ever parent,

David Nelson 34:45

I think. Yeah.

Mike Nelson 34:47

Yeah. I mean, no, no human being has crapped on the floor in my house in like four years. Yeah, that's funny.

David Nelson 34:58

No, okay. All right. You It's been four years.

Mike Nelson 35:01

Yes. Yeah. I mean, we did we got a new puppy. We actually have two new puppies since the last time. So Miss mazzy. So yeah, not to get too deep in the weeds about that. But like mismas used to belong to listener, Karen. And Lister, Karen had a son and Miss mazzy didn't really get along with the son. And she was like, hey, I need you to take the dog or take the dog. And I was like, no problem. And when we got mismatches, she was probably 10 or 12 years old. And, you know, from my perspective, when we got her, I was not ready for a dog. But I realized quickly that I was still coming kind of coming off of some of the issues that are were associated with deployment. And not just, I'll just throw it out there just deployment. And then mazzy would come in lay down next to me on the floor, in my room. And I learned really quickly, it only took me about three or four days, that she actually never really slept. And if there was ever a noise or somebody up on the patio or somebody driving around the back of the house or somebody walking around, she would wake me up. And it was a huge blessing to me to be honest with you, because I hadn't slept in

David Nelson 36:32

allows you to sleep.

Mike Nelson 36:33

Yeah, I hadn't slept in about six and a half years. Yeah. And you know, I get a little bit emotional about it, because it's pretty dramatic. But I mean, that was in the later part of Miss Massey's life. I think I may have talked about it on a podcast, but I got to go back and listen. But she ended up you know, not being able to. She had incontinence. And it's just not something that you can deal with as a adult human being where the talk just pacing everywhere. You know, and you know, there was a day when I just made the decision. And I just told my family. I was like, Oh, yeah, man, he's going away today. And it was among the worst ever days of my life. And I called Karen said, Come over, she's going away today. It was so funny. Dave, you would love the whole thing. I mean, it was super dramatic. And it was like, you know, hallmark, you know, TV show dramatic. But I call Karen and she came over and like gave me a hug. And then the kids get gave her a hug. And she took some pictures. And I threw her in the back of the track. That that seated area, the passenger compartment of the truck, not just the back of the truck. Like, get in there. No, I throw her in the seated area compartment of the truck. And I took her to the vet. I can't believe I haven't told you. I haven't told you this. And this, like 17 year old girl at the counter. I walked in with Miss mazzy who's like, you know, morbidly obese, and she's like 18 years old, and she can barely see, you know, and the girl goes, hi. And I was like, Hi, Mr. Nelson. Oh, thank you for coming, Mr. Nelson. And what were we doing today? It's like, I'm here with Matt. I and I was just trying to like kind of not do the thing. You know, I'm here with mazzy. You know, and she goes, and what are we doing for Massey today? And I looked at her and I was like we're putting her down today. There was like 10 people in the waiting room. And they all like simultaneously that's like shifted in their seats, and kind of leaned on one shoulder and looked away. Right. And I was like cat frickin crap.

David Nelson 38:52

You made me say

Mike Nelson 38:52

it out loud. I know. And then I went to sat down and this this, this, you know, he must have been 75 years old. Probably six foot three black gentlemen. He leans over to me, and he just puts his hand on my shoulder and he goes, son, got one hell of a doctor. one hell of a doc. And I couldn't hold it together. Man. I cried like a, like a six year old girl. I was like, and he just put his hand on my shoulder. I'd never met this guy never seen him in my life. And he's put his hand on my shoulder. He's like one hell of a dog son. one hell of a dog. He's been there. Oh, yeah. And every single other person in there was just like shifting like, Oh, shit. Yeah, and I know, we don't usually swear on the podcast, but it's there. I mean, it's poignant, right. And then we went back and did the thing and I walked out with a collar and it was just like tears, just like tears and I got on my truck and I sat in my truck for 25 and then, you know, I went to work and I show up at work and I made my civilian clothes, and my Boss, he's a general. He's like, Hey, Nelson, what's up? And I was like, Yeah. You know? Like, okay, whatever, go to your office, like, I go to my office and I'm in there. And it's just like, you know, red eyes, swollen eyes. I mean, civilian clothes. He walks in, he's like, you're not in uniform. I know. And he's like, why have you been crying? I'm like, I put my dog down today. And he's like, You should go home. Yeah, and he just looked at me. It was like, you know, eight o'clock in the morning, and he's like, go home. And I just like I said, Okay, and I just walked out and I went home. And it was like, maybe a year and a half before we got another dog. And we ended up with Ranger, who's a hunting dog. He's a German Shepherd, Shorthaired Pointer. And he's not quite as good on the the barking, but it's like, it's like turning your alarm level down. Right. So like, you know, I can sleep a little bit better. And he only gets wound up when he knows he should get wound up versus Massey's. Like, there's a rabbit in the yard.

David Nelson 41:10

I can just sense it.

Mike Nelson 41:13

Oh, yeah. And she was dead on and he's actually a little bit better. Like, if somebody ever walked up onto our porch. He would you know, and he wouldn't like go crazy. But he or right until I got up. He will not stop until I get up and go check. He just or

David Nelson 41:32

so he's, he's patrolling the property all the time.

Mike Nelson 41:35

Oh, yeah. 100% of the time, right. So and then just three days ago, we got another dog. Her name is Nova mazzy. Star Nelson.

David Nelson 41:48

Awesome. Awesome. These are both hunting dogs, aren't

Mike Nelson 41:51

they? Oh, yeah, very much so. So I was just going to point out that Nova means new. And then mazzy mazzy star is Massey's name. And then obviously, our surname Nelson. So yeah, they're both very much hunting dogs. So they're always on the you can't turn them off. Ranger is a fantastic bird dog and he will point and he eats. He hangs out about six yards in front of us. And then Nova. She's only eight weeks old. What's today? She's only eight weeks old yesterday. And she's already got recall down pat. And she's sleeping through the night. Well, not all the way through the night. But it doesn't really matter. But the point is, is that they sleep in the same crate in Rangers allows her to kind of curl up in his lap. And you know, she's this little tiny thing and he's a full fledged adult dog.

David Nelson 42:51

I saw I saw a photo that Ella sent Katie and look like already Rangers, like kind of like welcome Nova to to the pod kind of thing.

Mike Nelson 43:01

Except this morning. He was like a grumpy old man. Like I called him to get him out of his crate and he wouldn't come out of his career. He's like, Ah, this crazy lady has kept me up all night.

David Nelson 43:13

All night with a kid.

Mike Nelson 43:15

Yeah, no, it's super fun. Yeah, and you know that, you know, it's kind of like having a baby except you don't have to change diapers. They just pee on the floor. And so you got to be on it. It's fine. But, you know, I get up about 3am every morning and go let the dog out. Ranger will never even exit his sleeping bag. He's got a sleeping bag. He's a big baby.

David Nelson 43:37

Yeah, you don't like the cold so much does he

Mike Nelson 43:39

know he's a short hair. Whereas Nova is a wirehair. She's a German wirehair pointer. She does not give a crap about the cold. Because she's actually got four. Which is sort of ironic, but it's interesting to watch him kind of interact, because when he's ready, he'll play with her. And she's learning quickly to play with him and she doesn't take crap from him. But when he is not ready, he just stays in his crate and gets glares at me like I just ruined his life.

David Nelson 44:12

No one asked me if we wanted another dog. Yeah, I'm interested to see if Rangers like teaches Nova things right? Like, right here.

Mike Nelson 44:21

Yeah, he already has. Right like when we create, we just tell him crate up. Right like that. And he'll go into the crate and then she'll just kind of thinking she'll just go after him. And she'll lay down and then I don't know what her deal is, but she just like goes whole hog on the on the water bowl. And he's not so into that. She'll just like barrier face and he gets grumpy rrrr you know, like stopped, stop making a mess kind of thing, which is kind of fun. And then we have a recall, which is our recall Like we'll say, the dog's name like Ranger kid like that. And then we'll go KIPP. And the reason we do that is one, it highlights puberty in our children so that we can make fun of them.

David Nelson 45:14

do really well.

Mike Nelson 45:16

Yeah, they either do it really well or really terribly in either way, you can point at them and make fun of them. And to nobody else uses that call. So like, you could be in a group of dogs and recall your dog and the dog will come. Instead of like, Ranger come, you know, or Nova come like everybody says that, but nobody does that. Right like that. Yep. And it's, it's clear, and it pierces through kind of the air and your dog can be, you know, this is not an exaggeration, your dog can be 1000 yards away, and you roll in on that really loud. And the dog will respond and come back.

David Nelson 45:55

I've seen you recall your dog a couple times is pretty impressive.

Mike Nelson 46:00

Yeah, I mean, the recall is the number one thing and the

David Nelson 46:03

comeback. And the harness for the sled are the skateboards, right? That's really,

Mike Nelson 46:10

all right. So the last time we podcast, it was like, 2016, right? So I had trained mazzy on the sled dog calls, and I don't do the ghee, and the hot and all that stuff. I just go. Like, if we're gonna go, right, I just say, Hey, we do a preparatory command. And we talked about this in a previous episode, about sitting in traffic. And, and, and like that when I was nine, I flipped that dude off.

David Nelson 46:41

Aggressive versus, versus assertive. Yeah,

Mike Nelson 46:44

exactly. But, you know, with a dog, if you give them a preparatory command, they'll look at you. And if you train them correctly, they'll look at you. So like with Ranger, we we've been working with him for a couple years. And you know, mazzy did this almost instinctually. But she was just kind of fat out of shape, which was fine, but Ranger is in awesome shape. And I'm you know, 250 pounds, and we've got a couple of long boards and, and I'll throw a harness on him like a sled dog harness, and he'll just wait for me. And then I'll throw out I'll just jump on that longboard, which is a long skateboard. And I'll just like, get it getting getting getting in, we can post a video of it at some point. And he takes directional commands very well, but with a dog, what's really works well as if you give a preparatory command, which is, hey, we're gonna go, right. And then you just say, Hey, we're gonna go right. And what will happen is if you do that, like maybe 50 yards before you're going to make a turn, kill look with, look at you. He'll turn to the right. And look at you with his right eye. You know? Yeah. And then, and then you just go right, right, right, right. Like that. And he'll like, he'll lean into it and go, right. And he's good enough now that we've got Hey, slow up, or slow, slow, slow, or Whoa. Which means stop, or slow, which means slack the line and when you're on a longboard, you got to be really careful when you slack the line, because he'll drop the line in front of you, and you'll just eat shit. Right? Right there. Yeah. And that's actually the whole point of this story. And, but you can, you can call them left, right or on through. So if you want them to pass a corner, you just say on through on through, and he just lays into it. And he loves laying into the harness. And we've had a couple of other dogs that are like so. So on it. We've got a listener Karen's dog that actually, he probably will do it. But he's got big feet. So he's not used to the harness. So he steps really high. And it frankly, it confuses Ranger. You know, he's kind of like a Lipizzaner dog instead of a lapins. otter stallion, guys. But I think I think if we give him another six or eight times on the harness, and I bought a harness for him, the harnesses are only like 12 bucks, that he'll probably lean into it. But like, we've got another dog across the street named Bailey. And she just like slacks the line and Ranger just gets pissed and growls at her the entire time, because she doesn't pull it all. She'll slack. She'll slack the light on her side. And he and he doesn't like that.

David Nelson 49:27

I'm doing all the work over here.

Mike Nelson 49:29

Yeah, I mean, the, the human example is listen, y'all, right? You better lay in or we're done. You know, and you can kind of tell and he'll like nip at her while she's in the harness and she'll nip back. But as soon as that nipping is over, she slacks the line, she won't pull. With Sammy, Lister, Karen's dog. He just isn't used to the hardest. So he does a high step. I think actually he probably do it. But Rangers a good lead dog. So the other day

David Nelson 50:03

like urban sledding man,

Mike Nelson 50:06

yeah, it's actually, you know, ski jogging or jog jarring. There's a whole like subculture to this. I prefer it on the longboard. While I prefer it until last week, but I prefer it on the longboard. The problem with the long boards is you can't stop there's no brakes. So it's all gas, no brakes, right. So I do this loop with him and he this dog. Again, I'm 250 pounds on a good day. And this dog will pull me at 18 miles an hour for five miles. And he lays and he's all for me, and he listens to me and he listens and Ellis will follow him on the longboard and listen to Ellis. I'm sure Ellis has his own style, and he's got his own route. But like I can, I can call the dog instead of a standard, right, I'll call him out left and he'll go left. And he is just dead. Just dead that's on that you know the disadvantages, it is the most ridiculously dangerous thing you could do as a 42 year old other than being like in Special Forces. So the other day, I kind of come in around the street to my house. And normally we would turn left and I didn't want to turn left, I wanted to go right. So I said hey, pay attention. And usually I only use that that phrase when there's other dogs and he wants to get up and he just wants to go smell the other dogs, right. And I was like, I'll just yank on the line and say, Hey, pay attention it he'll usually lay back into the harness, right? He's getting ready to turn left, and I'm on this log barn going down this very kind of slight decline. And he he crosses in front of me to go left and I was like, I pay attention, right? And it's real. I mean, it's real guttural commands. And he looks at me through his right side. And he's like, what, like, I thought were going home. And I was like, no on through, which means pass the turn. So he stayed on my left side. And I said, Hey, we're gonna go right, which is, hey, we're gonna is the preparatory command. And he looked at me with his right side as he was to the left of the board. And he slacked the line in front of me. And I was like, crap crack, and I was started yelling at him. And there was like, all these people standing on the sidewalk watching me. And I'm yelling at him. And as soon as you start, as soon as you lose your composure with a dog, he just gives up, he's just like, I don't know what you want me to do. So I'm just gonna run next to you with slacks the line in front of the skateboard. And I was like, holding it up with my left hand, like, you know, there's but but 12 feet a line in front of us, and I'm holding it up, so I don't run over it. Because if you run over it with a skateboard, you're just gonna eat it. Yeah, right. Off Street. And I go, we're going right, right, right, right. Right. Right, right. Which means like, you're gonna cross in front of me. But as soon as I said that, he kind of looked at me with his right side. And he knew that he couldn't get in front of the skateboard on the on the right side and pull through the corner. So he went behind. Oh, God, no. And I was like, Ah, crap. Well, once you say crap, right? You just abandoned the line and let go, right. And I'm blowing through this intersection of this four way intersection, like 30 miles an hour, with the dog kind of just trotting behind me with this line, right? And all these people like, Oh my god, what's this gonna do? Well, I hit the curb, right? And I did this giant stride, which is like a huge step. And, like, I didn't fall, but I ended up in this dude's grass, and the board kind of shot off and in Ranger comes in next to me. He's like, I'm sorry. You know, he's looking at me like crap. Rocco would do? Exactly like, did you crap in the hallway? You know, and I took a couple giant strides. And I kind of did my thing. And you know, I kind of wiggled and stuff like that. And it was soft grass, so it wasn't that big a deal. And I just grabbed the board. And I grabbed the dog, and I just put it back on the street. And I was like, getting, let's go get it. And he immediately was back in an artist. So we do another like two and a half miles. And then I get back to the house, but the board away, take the harness off the dog and I give him his praise, right? And I go sit down on the couch. And I'm like, Oh, right, like, dude, I totally, and I didn't I didn't roll my ankle. I didn't twist my knee. I didn't hurt my back. It's just like

David Nelson 54:43

recovery time. Yeah, recovery time is gonna be so much longer than it used to be.

Mike Nelson 54:48

Yeah, and I'm, like I said, you know, I'm not a victim of my previous history, but I gotta be honest with you, man. Like I wrote a lot of checks when I was young, and every single one of them checks came to cash on that day. And I did not even fall. And it was like, I mean, I'm still like, on my right leg, you know, I've got some nerve damage from other crap on my left leg and stuff like that, and it just doesn't work, right? Just straight up doesn't work, right. And, you know, doing that giant stride where I was like, Oh, I don't want to fall. So I just kind of planted my heel. And it just like, boop, boop, boop, boop, it just rippled up my body and like, it's been, it's been like, like, 15 days, and I'm still like, taking meds for it and stuff like that. And how always like, you know, you're not 28 anymore. And I'm like, I didn't even fall. And she's like, Yeah, I know. You're also not 28. Right. So I don't know. Yeah, so there's thing called a kickbike, which is like, I don't know, if you remember when were kids with there was these scooters. And they had like, maybe, you know, 10 inch wheels on them. And they had like pinch brakes on them.

David Nelson 56:01

Yeah, you stand on them.

Mike Nelson 56:03

Yeah, you stand on. Well, they make a an adult version of that. Called a kick bike. And it's got like a 26 inch front wheel. And like maybe a an 18 inch rear wheel. And it like, swoops down. So it's only a couple inches off the ground on the deck. And you could stand on it. But it's got hydraulic brakes on it. And a high a high, you know, you know, handlebar and it's specifically made so that you can put dog teams on it. And when you have those hydraulic brakes, you can slow the dogs down. And you can give them the command to slow the dogs down before you get to a four way intersection and completely eat it in some dudes grass in front of like 15 people that are trying to cross a stupid crosswalk. So this is a whole thing. What's

David Nelson 56:49

this called?

Mike Nelson 56:50

Hmm, well, it'd be like skijoring. Or, you know, dog jarring. Anything jarring. I don't know why it's jarring. But like, there's people that are run, I could never do this. There was a time when I could do it. But I could not do it now, where people will put a belt around their waist and they will attach the dog and the dog will run on a trail and kind of pull the person along. And like, I'm just, you know, I'm Sasquatch. Man. I just I'm Bailey.

David Nelson 57:22

That's why you got a second dog, man.

Mike Nelson 57:24

Yeah, like just so they can get more exercise? Yeah, no, there's like, competitions and all kinds of stuff. And really, my only goal is to get four dogs in the neighborhood on the line. And Ranger is a good enough lead dog, he pays attention to hard enough that he will if you put and I've tried three other dogs on the line, that if they're not paying attention, and you know, it's no fault of their own, because they've never been on a on a line, right? A leader, that he'll get angry at them and bark at them or bite them. And just

David Nelson 57:58

keep keeping them in line then.

Mike Nelson 58:00

Oh, yeah, he's a great lead dog. It's just like, you know, call the wild kind of, you know, kind of deal where you're like, Oh, actually, he knows what he's doing. And he knows what he likes. And he is so fast. Like, you know, like Ellis is like 200 pounds, he's 14, but he's 200 pounds. And lso go run the same distance with Ranger, as I do a you know, in in 18 minutes, as I do in 26 minutes. But Ranger does not give a flying crap he will lay in and like the amount of pull that he throws on this thing is, it is gratifying. And, you know, we got Nova and she's only eight weeks old, but she's a German wirehair pointer. And I have no reason to expect that she won't do anything less. And frankly, you know, with a female dog, they usually end up as lead Ranger will get his he will not appreciate that. But I suspect that you you put a ranger and you put a nova on the line. Any other dog that you throw on there will be totally late on. And, you know, if anybody's interested that you can just look up during schedule boring or jog boring, or you know, you know, cross country scootering with the dog or whatever. It is super fun. And it's not hard, I think mazzy the old you know, geriatric dog, and I've actually posted videos of her on the on the website. I think she probably had it in three one mile sessions, and you kind of have to be a little bit aggressive with them like, Ah, no, no, you know, and stop and then start and then you know, kind of do it again. 331 mile sessions and she had Whoa, which means stop and then left in the right and she knew the preparatory commands, Ranger from the from the from the get go was a pulling dog and he's a working dog. He's a German Shorthaired Pointer and he'll be still pointing at rabbits and stuff like that. He's a hunting dog. And he, it probably took eight. One mile rides with him to get him locked in. And then every day he learned something new. Like the other day, he learned not to pay attention to me because I'm a complete asshole.

David Nelson 1:00:21

What was the key word to make him give up? You're like,

Mike Nelson 1:00:23

Oh, crap. I was like, God, no, like,

David Nelson 1:00:27

I'm out of that heads. Yeah.

Mike Nelson 1:00:28

And he just tried it next to me like, hey, whatever. And I was like, oh, we're screwed.

David Nelson 1:00:33

What would you do, man?

Mike Nelson 1:00:37

Great. So I don't know. My hope is to have like, four neighborhood dogs online on kickbike. Which is, that'd be awesome.

David Nelson 1:00:45

That'd be really cool.

Mike Nelson 1:00:47

And with four dogs, my suspicion is you could potentially go toward your house.

David Nelson 1:00:53

You can haul freight to man.

Mike Nelson 1:00:55

Oh, yeah, well, I'm afraid I mean, I'm 250 pounds. But the dogs at a medium speed, which we're working on with Ranger right now is like, Hey, you got to slow down so you can go farther. I mean, he'll, he'll just pull 100% until you tell him stop, which he can. He can only do that for you know, six weeks set

David Nelson 1:01:11

up a course the neighborhood and have like a like a Yeah, you're really rally or something like that.

Mike Nelson 1:01:18

Dude, it's so awesome. And there's like a family with a couple of Huskies. And they're like, kind of petite Husky. So I'm not sure if they're purebred. But they got the curled out tail and the blue eyes and stuff like that. And I see them, you know, probably twice a week.

David Nelson 1:01:34

Now they're born in West Coast cities. So they little little lighter than,

Mike Nelson 1:01:38

you know, real liberal Huskies. But those dogs when I run by him, they will literally stop in their tracks and watch. They just like so

David Nelson 1:01:47

jealous.

Mike Nelson 1:01:48

Oh, yeah. It's, it's so great. So, you know, the learning aspect of this, which we started with, like 10 minutes ago, which is I'm not 28 anymore. And I, you know, I wrote a lot of checks, and I'm sort of I'm not suffering and I don't regret it, but at the same time, like, I did not even fall. And I'm like, Oh, dude, I cannot crash on this thing. If I crash on this thing. I'm gonna be down for a month and a half. Right? So I gotta get I gotta get something that I can control a little bit more, but at the same time, it is really fun to have a dog that lays in and just that is his whole you know, goal in life. And I'm certain that any any reasonable hunting dog like a lab, any lab, I'm not even sure what Sammy is. Well, frickin Bailey will never do it. She just slacks line and Ranger biter. But you know, any typical lab is going to do it. They love it. Any dog that poles there's a dog up the street named Frank, who just wants to bite everybody. And they put a muzzle on him. So I just gave him a harness and said, Hey, you know, get them trained up and you know, a couple years, I'll walk up to him and throw him on the line, and we'll see what he does. And they're like, okey dokey. So I just asked him a harness. And I see them out there like three times a week, and he's pulling the stroller.

David Nelson 1:03:14

Nice. getting used to that feeling that having that around him.

Mike Nelson 1:03:17

Yeah, you know, it's kind of crazy. Because a dog will lean into it. Once they understand what you want them to do. They lean into it, they love it.

David Nelson 1:03:23

And I like how dogs like when you give them a job. And they feel like they're doing something. Yeah, sort of, like, get a pep in their step.

Mike Nelson 1:03:31

Yeah, you know, I mean, honestly, mazzy I mean, she was geriatric when we got her but I put her on the harness, and she learned it pretty quick. But she understood like, Hey, we're gonna go twice a week. And you're gonna stay awake at night so I can sleep. And it was I mean, it was pretty remarkable. And Ranger does that now. So it's pretty good.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:52

Right on.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:52

Yeah,

David Nelson 1:03:53

I think we got plenty of stuff to talk about.

Mike Nelson 1:03:56

I think we need to so. You know, don't call it a comeback.

David Nelson 1:04:02

I've been here for you.

Mike Nelson 1:04:02

I never quit. That's right. And never quit. Alright, man, a renaissance man.